From: norman.wood
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 9:12 AM

So sorry to hear this, HMMMM, Never heard of this before. It would help if
the Vet had given this cancer a name. To say a Cancerous Tumor is caused by
drinking Stagnant water is something I would question another Vet about. I
would want to know the type of Cancer it was.
Laura Wood
WoodsHavenGSP's

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From: reflectiongsps@aol.com
Date: 11/20/2009 10:34:42 AM
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Subject: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's

I received this sad email after following up on one of my 2007 Rio x Beastie
pups. Has anyone heard of this before? I have asked Shara to send me the vet
records on Tessa's tumor.


Anne M Cohen ~ ReflectionGSP's
www.reflectiongsps.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Shara Walters <sharawalters@gmail.com>
To: amcgsp4cohen@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Tessa


Hi Anne
Let me tell you about our beloved Tessa. We had her spade on June 17, 2008.
She did fine with the surgery and seemed to heal just fine. We fully
expected her to start putting on some weight after having her spade, but she
in fact starting losing weight after a while. I took her to the vet on Oct 1
and the vet found a tumor. I can't remember the exact name of it. The x-ray
didn't show a very clear picture of the tumor, but he said he could do
exploratory surgery and try to remove the tumor. I called my step-dad, Jesse
Tessa was his dog. He said to tell the vet he didn't care what it costs,
just get her well. So I left her there for the surgery. The vet took her
immediately to surgery and he called me shortly thereafter and said the
tumor was much worse that he thought. He said it had wrapped and intertwined
with her intestines, stomach and other things. He said he wouldn't be able
remove it. He said there really wasn't anything else he could do. He
recommended that we just don't wake her up from the surgery. After many
tears from the whole family, Jesse called and told the vet to go ahead and
put her down. We all loved her very much. She was definitely a part of the
family. She was so good and gentle with the little kids. But, it's Jesse
that it probably affected the most. She was with him ALL the time! She rode
the tractor, 4wheeler, mule, truck, everything with him! He won't even
consider getting another dog. He said he just can't go through that pain
again.

The vet said the tumor she has was not really common. It's caused by
drinking stagnant water. Now, of course, she had fresh water available to
her at all times, but she loved water!! If there was a mud hole big enough
to hold her, she was in it! She especially loved to head straight for a mud
hole after Jesse gave her a bath! LOL! He always said she was worse than a
kid! I asked the vet how the tumor wasn't spotted when they spade her, it
had only been about 15 weeks. He said the tumor was very fast growing and
may not have even been there when they spade her.

I'm sorry to give you this information. I know you care very much for all of
your dogs. Please just know that Tessa was very much loved and spoiled while
she was here!

If you'd like to see the vet records, I'll be glad to get them for you, just
let me know.

-Shara Walters




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From: reflectiongsps@aol.com
Subject: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:33 AM

I received this sad email after following up on one of my 2007 Rio x Beastie pups.  Has anyone heard of this before?  I have asked Shara to send me the vet records on Tessa's tumor.

Anne M Cohen ~ ReflectionGSP's

www.reflectiongsps.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Shara Walters <sharawalters@gmail.com>
To: amcgsp4cohen@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Tessa

Hi Anne
Let me tell you about our beloved Tessa.  We had her spade on June 17, 2008.  She did fine with the surgery and seemed to heal just fine.  We fully expected her to start putting on some weight after having her spade, but she in fact starting losing weight after a while.  I took her to the vet on Oct 1 and the vet found a tumor.  I can't remember the exact name of it.  The x-ray didn't show a very clear picture of the tumor, but he said he could do exploratory surgery and try to remove the tumor..  I called my step-dad, Jesse, Tessa was his dog.  He said to tell the vet he didn't care what it costs, just get her well.  So I left her there for the surgery.  The vet took her immediately to surgery and he called me shortly thereafter and said the tumor was much worse that he thought.  He said it had wrapped and intertwined with her intestines, stomach and other things.  He said he wouldn't be able remove it.  He said there really wasn't anything else he could do.  He recommended that we just don't wake her up from the surgery.  After many tears from the whole family, Jesse called and told the vet to go ahead and put her down.   We all loved her very much.  She was definitely a part of the family. She was so good and gentle with the little kids.  But, it's Jesse that it probably affected the most.  She was with him ALL the time!  She rode the tractor, 4wheeler, mule, truck, everything with him!  He won't even consider getting another dog.  He said he just can't go through that pain again.

The vet said the tumor she has was not really common.  It's caused by drinking stagnant water.  Now, of course, she had fresh water available to her at all times, but she loved water!!  If there was a mud hole big enough to hold her, she was in it!  She especially loved to head straight for a mud hole after Jesse gave her a bath!  LOL!  He always said she was worse than a kid!   I asked the vet how the tumor wasn't spotted when they spade her, it had only been about 15 weeks.  He said the tumor was very fast growing and may not have even been there when they spade her.

I'm sorry to give you this information.  I know you care very much for all of your dogs.  Please just know that Tessa was very much loved and spoiled while she was here!

If you'd like to see the vet records, I'll be glad to get them for you, just let me know..

-Shara Walters

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From: Lisa Mayhew
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:48 PM

I can only speak to my own experience with Atta’s tumor, but what I understood was that cancerous cells in dogs (perhaps animals in general) are ‘vague’, meaning they are not as distinctive or easily diagnosed as cancerous vs cancers in humans. The forensic paths I work for said the same thing. In Atta’s case, her tumor was sent to Cornell and NC State. Cornell said ‘…meta blah tumor, prognosis poor’ or something to that effect. NC State said non-cancerous. My vet was pissed off that they could both be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Third analysis was done at a specialty clinic locally and they said yes, cancer but only based on the coloration of the tissue, and the speed at which it grew. What I gathered from the whole deal was that it is a guessing game at best and not as scientific as it is in people. They also said they did not get all of the tumor as it was too close to a nerve and that it would come back and that was April 2008. So maybe not cancerous???

The options provided to me: 1. take her front leg off (but it could still be in the lung) 2. new shots at $1000/shot in a series of 4, with success rates below 25%  3. chemo/rad types tx with same low success rate.

As I explained to my doctor, ATTA’S quality of life is most important so I won’t put her through that for those odds when she’s happy and not sick the way she is. She remains so.

 

Lisa

 

 

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From: gsp-l-request@web.whc.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of stelor@att.net
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:54 AM
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's

 

 It would help if
> the Vet had given this cancer a name. To say a Cancerous Tumor is caused by
>

 

From: Lisa Mayhew
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 11:09 PM

As I said originally:

“I can only speak to my own experience with Atta’s tumor,”

The vet oncology specialist explained it to myself and my vet. Take exception with them not me. Each vet saw the same slides, one had her dead, one had her cancer free, and the oncologist was the only one who could qualify his opinion. There was no specific name given to the cancer, such as sarcoma and it was not tied to an organ.

 

Lisa

 

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From: gsp-l-request@web.whc.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of Leita Estes
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:10 AM
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's

 

Lisa That just isn't true that animal cancers are vague. Cancer cells are specific no matter what species they come from. You can find the same difference in diagnosis in humans. Did each of the path departments look at the exact same slides? If they are looking at different parts of the tumor they may easily come up with different diagnosis. If you would like to call me feel free to do that. Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Lisa Mayhew < vonlise@ncpines.net > wrote: From: Lisa Mayhew < vonlise@ncpines.net > Subject: RE: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:48 PM I can only speak to my own experience with Atta’s tumor, but what I understood was that cancerous cells in dogs (perhaps animals in general) are ‘vague’, meaning they are not as distinctive or easily diagnosed as cancerous vs cancers in humans. The forensic paths I work for said the same thing. In Atta’s case, her tumor was sent to Cornell and NC State. Cornell said ‘…meta blah tumor, prognosis poor’ or something to that effect. NC State said non-cancerous. My vet was pissed off that they could both be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Third analysis was done at a specialty clinic locally and they said yes, cancer but only based on the coloration of the tissue, and the speed at which it grew. What I gathered from the whole deal was that it is a guessing game at best and not as scientific as it is in people. They also said they did not get all of the tumor as it was too close to a nerve and that it would come back and that was April 2008. So maybe not cancerous??? The options provided to me: 1. take her front leg off (but it could still be in the lung) 2. new shots at $1000/shot in a series of 4, with success rates below 25%  3. chemo/rad types tx with same low success rate. As I explained to my doctor, ATTA’S quality of life is most important so I won’t put her through that for those odds when she’s happy and not sick the way she is. She remains so.   Lisa     From: gsp-l-request@web.whc.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of stelor@att.net Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:54 AM To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Tumors in GSP's    It would help if > the Vet had given this cancer a name. To say a Cancerous Tumor is caused by >