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10/15/2009 11:43 AM  
Just want to add that I agree with Bev and Francine. I didn't address age and readyness and basic training, assuming you have read about that in other discussions on the forum. Most people I train with do not use the e-collar before age 1 year. Of course, a pup might be ready for it at 8 months, or not at all ready for it at 5 years - depending on the status of the training, and the dog.


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10/15/2009 12:23 PM  
I want to clarify my point about age of e-collar use. I am for using the e-collar as early as 4 months old - on SOME dogs AND if the person using the e-collar is well versed in it's use and dog behavior and training.I like the method of pressure conditioning and I like to use the correction method, but the correction method is applied differently then the pressure conditioning method, therefore it should be use later on when the dog is well versed in commands and has had time to mature.



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10/15/2009 1:27 PM  
My trainer said she used it on a dog that young before. HER dog. If she used it, I believe that it was absolutely necessary. She's an excellent trainer and I would trust her judgement.

That said, I myself would not ever use the e-collar on a dog that young. If I ever had a dog that would need it that young, it probably would not be the right dog for me, nor me the right owner for the dog.

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10/15/2009 1:44 PM  
I don't know how you are percieving the use at a young age but by stating the phrase:

"If I ever had a dog that would need it that young, it probably would not be the right dog for me, nor me the right owner for the dog."

I would think you are not getting the correct picture.

Pressure conditioning is not the same as correction training. With correction training it is easy to picture the hard-headed,knuckle-head dog.Pressure conditioning teaches the dog to make the appropriate choice,a choice it already knows, and to do so under pressure. The benifits can be great.

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10/16/2009 8:41 PM  
Posted By pixie bee on 07/27/2009 12:03 PM
I am in favor of FF'ing but it is not necessary for pets and hunters if the dog brings it back to within a step or 2 and drops it.
 
 

You have obviously never hunted wild birds before or are a much better shot than 90% of the people in the world. The LAST thing you want your dog to do is drop a live bird "within a step or 2" because the bird will be gone before you can make that "step or 2".

A trained retrieve should be done to any and all hunting dogs. Its not just for the trialers or testers but ensures dead and wounded game will have a higher chance of making it into the bag than a dog that hasnt had a trained retrieve. Not to mention if done right the dog will not give up on a search until the master tells the dog so.

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10/17/2009 6:28 AM  
I must be spoiled by the fine shooting of my husband and son (and my FF'd dogs).
I agree with your FF'ing reasons. Thing is, how many people will go to a pro to have it done? FF'ing is not for everyone and can mess up a dog more then train a dog. I have seen many dogs,owner and pro trained still roll,chomp and drop. My Haiko, when wired up on preserve hunts was guilty of this. FF requires a thorough follow up. I needed to revisit FF twice.
At the preserve I guided at their dogs are not FF'd and not one dog ever let go of a living bird after the first time. One experience usually cures a loose mouthed dog. A smart dog with the right amount of prey drive will not let a bird get away.
Anyway, that's how I feel about FF'ing dogs.
To comment on your last sentence, while others may rely on FF for this, I don't. A dog like that will never find a spot on our rug.

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10/17/2009 11:36 AM  
A trained retrieve isnt hard to do especially if started young and taught right. Most dogs wont even need to go through the force part if taught never to let go from an early age. No a 1st experience with a "loose" mouth dog wont cure nothing. All it will do is cause a dog to crunch harder and hard or if they dont like feathers in their mouth to constantly continue to spit birds.

If a dog that never gives up on a search isnt welcome on your run I am glad I dont hunt over your dogs. I really dont want to hunt over dogs that give up when sent to look for dead game.
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10/17/2009 2:56 PM  

Ryan,
my dogs never give up, they quit only if told to do so. My comment was geared toward lower prey drive dogs. If I have to command a dog to keep searching that dog is not the dog for me. If my dogs are sent to hunt dead they are given 1 command -search, if they are sent to retrieve and for some reason have difficulty completeing it (bird has left ,cover is thick,poor marking,ect) then they will search until told otherwise. My home only has room for very high prey drive dogs.
I don't agree 100% with your first paragraph but that's ok, we each have our own opinions and experiences.


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