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wems2371

Eastern Iowa

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11/16/2009 4:24 PM
I apologize if my terminology of tracking vs trailing is incorrect. Googling didn't help. What I have is a almost 2.5 yr old gsp that has always been good at tracking fur/deer scent. We started to realize this when she was younger and would take off baying like a hound with her nose to the ground, when we were out bird hunting. Last season, we witnessed a deer run off ahead of us, and when Roxi ran across it's scent trail she was off. Fortunately it was 500 or so yards across an open corn field and the deer was gone. From watching where the deer ran, she was right on it's fresh track. That was a scary moment, and it was suggested we trash break her. So we purchased an e-collar and bumped into one other deer that season. That deer shot up in front of us from a bedding area and took off, within sight. Roxi took off, we shocked her on the highest level, and she stopped and we were back to a field search. Where I'm confused, is we would like to use her for blood tracking...but I wish she wouldn't be baying like a hound and running off on live deer trails while we're bird hunting. I realize blood is different, but at the same time I would guess it is surround with the live deer scent as well. If we shock her for tracking live deer, will that also put her off of blood tracking them? I ask this now, as we were out the other day, and again I watched a deer take off while she was off in another area. Once she ran across the fresh track, she was off and running, baying like a hound and deaf I might add. She did come back after a minute or two, but it was still unnerving. I did not shock her, as I want opinions before I approach it that way again. I would appreciate advice if it's possible to stop the live deer tracking and not compromise the blood tracking. Thanks. Denise

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pixie bee

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11/16/2009 5:42 PM
Some people like a bayer and think it is great and you are lucky she does b/c she is alerting you to the fact she is trailing and no longer bird hunting. One good thing - you have plenty of deer around.LOL. I don't know if there is a correct answer. It would all depend on the dog. I do not use the collar unless my dog gives chase. It makes sense to me that if you want a dog to scent deer you can't trash break for it. It's my logic,anyway. I would keep a close eye when hunting and call her off deer scent and she should go back to bird hunting. A dog will need to use blood and scent to find a deer.

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versatilefan User is Offline

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11/21/2009 6:08 AM
Blood tracking is a cooperative effort between dog and handler usually done on a long lead. Running deer is a "manners behind game" issue where the dog needs to learn it is not allowed just as chasing flushed birds is not allowed. GSP's are perfectly capable of learning both. The Kleeman test in Germany is usually run in fields full of wild birds, rabbits, and deer. The dogs must be steady on all game. In order to qualify for the Kleeman, all dogs must pass the VGP with a Prize 1. The VGP has a 400 meter blood track that the dog must score a "very good" in to get a Prize 1 I would start training for blood tracking and make it a fun, cooperative effort. Some dogs have less of an affinity for it than others but almost all are capable. Good luck and have fun with it.

Rugergundog User is Offline

Saginaw Michigan USA

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02/09/2010 8:35 AM
Idea it to repeat some sort of training process. Work your dog on tracking with a command, "track" and then replicate situations with blood and enforce what you expect from the dog. A bird dog running deer is a bad thing. Eventually odds are there will be a problem, either lost dog or wounded dog. Yes if you are training to blood track deer there will also be fur scent and overall "deer" scent in the air. That said if you intend to track your wounded deer i would no longer "zap" your dog when she gives chase. More so work the "come" command and what not to a good extent. I went through this process with my GSP and tracking. I did the "zap" and had to overcome a fear of tracking deer blood.

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pixie bee

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02/09/2010 11:00 AM
If a deer is poorly wounded and there is little blood you need a dog who will track scent and be scent discriminitive. There can be several yards if not 50 + yards between blood spots. Your dog may also encounter the deer's fur while tracking. I feel the best way to handle the situation is to be able to call your do off as soon as you realize they are on deer. If we read our dogs well, they are different when scenting fur. Francine

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