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Tracy NovoaUser is Offline
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07/23/2012 1:59 PM  
As I indicted in my original email, all his teeth to show his scissor bite and intermeshing molars are all clearly present.

Many judges will look at the scissor bite and pass along the lips to look at the back teeth to view intermesh and proper closing of the jaw. My interpretation, this is the correct way to judge the bite.

My issue is with the judges who see the little missing teeth in between or don't see them (often the tongue covers them) and stick their thumb or fingers in the dogs mouth searching. Then to the back of the bus you go!

Premolars do not intermesh or even touch. Many people my not even know if teeth are missing or have any extras.

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From: "Ann Wallace"
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Subject: [gsp-l] Teeth Revisited
Date: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 10:09 pm


I see two sides to this question.  Our standard reads: "The teeth
are strong and healthy.  The molars intermesh properly.  The bite is a true
scissors bite.  A perfect level bite is not desirable and must be penalized. 
Extreme overshot or undershot disqualifies."   How does one tell if the molars intermesh properly if the only thing looked at is the scissors bite ?
 
Ann
Olde Ridge


-----Original Message-----
From: Titus Nathan
To: gsp-l
Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Teeth Revisited

On Jun 12, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Tracy Novoa wrote:  Our standard reads: "The teeth 
are strong and healthy.  The molars intermesh properly.  The bite is a true 
scissors bite.  A perfect level bite is not desirable and must be penalized.  
Extreme overshot or undershot disqualifies."  
> 
> Is this right or wrong of judges to "judge to their own standard"?

According to the AKC  Rules, Policies and Guidelines for Conformation Dog Show 
Judges and the Judging Operations Judging Liaison "no, the judge should judge by 
the standard".  Also as it pertains to the comment, "he would have been the 
breed winner had it not been for the missing teeth."  AKC policy states, "Avoid 
making inappropriate comments to exhibitors in or out of the ring."

On p. 10 of the AKC Rulebook, Rules and Breed Standards it is the responsibility 
of the judge to understand and judge according to AKC Rules, Policies, 
Guidelines and current Standards in effect on the day of their judging 
assignment. If the decision depends on exact wording, it states not to hesitate 
to refer to the Rules, Guidelines or breed Standard or discuss the matter with 
the AKC Executive Field Representative. It also states one can discuss Rule 
issues with the Superintendent.

Based on his comments after the fact his decision was not made according to 
"exact wording" in the GSP breed standard. 

Also while under judgement GSPs should not be expected to have a full dentition 
exam as done with some of the working breeds.

Patte Titus
CheckSix Shorthairs


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12/02/2012 2:14 PM  

Judges have told me on more than one occasion that the standard does not specify two eyes or four legs.  That does not mean they could not consider a lack of one in their decision.  I never like that justification, but others agree.  Some judges will also make assumptions about dentition, and feel they are doing no wrong.  Nothing much we can do about it except not show them dogs with missing teeth or less than desirable bites.

I agree that judges sometimes do more harm than good with their comments when they say something they meant to be positive to placate you and it comes out all wrong.  Nothing we can do about that either

 


Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
Long Island, New York
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